Should Pop Punk be considered punk?

I just read it on a magazine called Black Velvet (UK Mag) and there is this fan mail saying that POP PUNK should't be considered PUNK, but more on POWER POP.

Just wanna hear the reactions...

I guess it depends on the approach to the music, the aesthetics and ethics by which a band that plays
"pop punk" should be considered.

Bands like Crimpshrine, Operation Cliff Clavin, Fifteen, Schlong , and Screeching Weasel are
well known and respected pop punk bands because they are caustic , melodic yet gruff and have DIY ethics.
I would consider pop punk to still be punk because punk is a mutation of pop,
it was a reaction to popular music because at the time , pop was sterile and unapproachable.

So for me , pop punk is still punk.

rupert

one great thing bout punk is the fact that its what you want it to be. walang rules, walang boundaries. so yes, pop punk is punk because that's how i feel bout it, and that's how I want to consider it. My 2 cents

kung sasabihing hindi Punk ang "POP" Punk ay parang sinabi na rin na hindi Punk ang The Ramones.
pano nga yung hirit nung iba... FAIL!
yun lang *bow!*

zepol wrote:

kung sasabihing hindi Punk ang "POP" Punk ay parang sinabi na rin na hindi Punk ang The Ramones.

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mas gusto ko yung term na melodic punk e

Psycho_Hosebeast wrote:

mas gusto ko yung term na melodic punk e

pano na ang DESCENDENTS?

Definitely ang sagot dito ay YES!

Kailan ba naging Pop ang punk? yung sa Ramones iba yun. si Elvis nga nagulo na ang panahon nya ng lumitaw sya, yung panahon pa kaya ng Ramones na lumitaw sila na ganon tunog nila. ewan ko rin ha? Ang dami ng ginulo nyang mga TAG TAG na yan.

basta ako Coke Punk. masyado matamis ang Pop

BHADRA wrote:

Kailan ba naging Pop ang punk? yung sa Ramones iba yun. si Elvis nga nagulo na ang panahon nya ng lumitaw sya, yung panahon pa kaya ng Ramones na lumitaw sila na ganon tunog nila. ewan ko rin ha? Ang dami ng ginulo nyang mga TAG TAG na yan.

Mang Boi Baboy, hehehehehe, ikaw lang ang biglang nagulo, Superpunk ka kasi. hehehehehe...

Musta na? Wala ka bang project?

ROMMEL

Beef Supreme wrote:

basta ako Coke Punk. masyado matamis ang Pop

Tado ka Russel! hehehe puro ka kalokohan. baka CRACK PUNK! Hehehe!!! PATATAK TSHIRT! Damot mo porke ba sikat ka na ngayon???? Hahahaha!!!! Basta ingat kayo kay Clinton. Hahaha!!! Joke!

Dirty Shoes Records wrote:

BHADRA wrote:

Kailan ba naging Pop ang punk? yung sa Ramones iba yun. si Elvis nga nagulo na ang panahon nya ng lumitaw sya, yung panahon pa kaya ng Ramones na lumitaw sila na ganon tunog nila. ewan ko rin ha? Ang dami ng ginulo nyang mga TAG TAG na yan.

Mang Boi Baboy, hehehehehe, ikaw lang ang biglang nagulo, Superpunk ka kasi. hehehehehe...

Musta na? Wala ka bang project?

ROMMEL

Hehehe!!! Ok na Ok pa rin Mel.. May plano ako ngayon, pero ako palang nakaka alam. Mukhang wala pa sa hulog mga kasama ko, gagawa kami ng album para sa 20th year namin.. basta ABANGAN LANG. hehehe!!!

BHADRA wrote:

Beef Supreme wrote:

basta ako Coke Punk. masyado matamis ang Pop

Tado ka Russel! hehehe puro ka kalokohan. baka CRACK PUNK! Hehehe!!! PATATAK TSHIRT! Damot mo porke ba sikat ka na ngayon???? Hahahaha!!!! Basta ingat kayo kay Clinton. Hahaha!!! Joke!

akin na shirt mo dalin ko ke marty nasakanya ung screen. kaw pa mawalan. kinabahan tuloy ako sa babala mo.. record na!!

question : Should Pop Punk be considered punk?

answer : Yes

why : I dunno? hehehe. basta. regarding sa pop punk & power pop. pwede bang maging pop punk ang weezer? parang ang layo no? hehehe opinion lang.

YES. It may not meet the indie fascist regime's standards as to what they think punk is or what it should sound like, but in the big scale of things, pop punk is punk. I think what's more important, at least in my opinion, is if a band playing mainstream punk had at least at one point, underground credibility. Especially now, you see a lot of once highly respected indi punk bands signing major label deals, which can work to a band's benefit or totally destory them. If a band is really good and just wants to introduce their music to an audience that wouldn't have been able to listen to punk because, say, they live in a rural area , then I don't see anything wrong with that. I think kids living in the province have a right to good music too isntead of letting ABS-CBN dictate what's cool and what's not. I'd rather hear Dead Sperm on the radio then have to listen to Calilly every thirty minutes.
Especially when the message borught to the table is politicallly or socially significant.

I'd like to see more local bands push the limit and be the itch on the governement's ass that GMA can't scratch and I think one of the only ways to do that is to take a few passionate punk bands that have something to say about what's going on in our country and take it to the mainstream. I honestly don' t think that's selling-out. Selling out is whoring yourself out to Myx to ensure the down payment on your 7th car when the 40% of the Philippine population is starving and not caring as long as you make your money so you can't buy more shit you don't need.

I love underground punk and always will. Occasionally my tastes lean towards more mainstream stuff I guess but I would really like to destory this whole punk purist mentality and because I think it's really fascist and unrealilistic.

OK lang sakin... kasi yung mga ganyang tugtugan nagiging gateway yan ng mga newbies and especially young kids(and gurls)... that will eventually open their ears to other heavier stuff like drugs or DIY etics and extreme musick... parang drugs yan e hahahahhaha

Q: bat walang POP Metal at POP Hardcore?
A: there is no such thing

haha.
Pop! panu ba malalaman kung Pop?
ang alam ko kasi
Pop eh pina iksi ng Popular
popular culture("kung anu ang in o kaya trend")
once na ma break mo yung mainstream eh magiging Pop
yung music.
like Greenday, Blink 182, Offspring, Ramones, Sex Pistol, The Clash, The Buzzcocks,
at madami pang Punk bands na nag set ng trend sa music scene...
at once na madaming maka apreciate sa music nila ng hindi sila nag iiba ng tunog (LINKIN PARK/CHICOSCI/) safe to say na hindi sila sell out..
pati for me Punk is a culture na puwede mong i aply sa any type of music
kahit Metal, Ska, Jazz, Hip Hop, Soul, Reggae, at bahalaka ka na sa iba pang music na gusto mong isispin..
basta dipende sa artist yan! hindi porket naka gear ka eh punk ka na!
may na i kwento sa kin yung kaibigan ko na nakakatawa.
one time gig sa cavite daw..
may isang banda na naka gear at spike na buhok
then nung set nila eh kumanta ng "Bodies" hindi ng Sex Pistol kundi ng Drowning Pool
haha. im not against the song. gusto ko nga yung song na yung ng Drowning Pool
pero naman chong.

anu yung melodic punk?
ahm siguro once you break the rules of 3 chords,
eh melodic na yung tunog mo... madaming banda sa punk scene na gumawa nito
at sa tingin ko walang problema dun...

oi
lahat ng sinulat ko eh Point Of View ko
bahala na kayo kung iba yung paniniwala nyo..



Linkin Park (Rap Rock nung una kong napakinggan),
Chicosci/Chicoscience (Rap/NeoMetal nung una kung napakinggan)

termulator wrote:

Q: bat walang POP Metal at POP Hardcore?

*nag iimagine na nasa top 10 ng MYX ang kantang Divine ng Sauna at dinaigpa ang Stupid Luv ng Salbakuta at Narda ng Kamikazee na maging sikat na kinakanta ng mga kids ngayon mula elementarya hanggang high school*

termulator wrote:

Q: bat walang POP Metal at POP Hardcore?
A: there is no such thing

FALSE.

POP METAL = METALLICA

POP HARDCORE = YOUR MOST, SECOND, THIRD FAVORITE BRIDGE NINE BAND.

haha opinyon nga naman, nagsayang ng oras gumawa ng sulat tungkol sa isang bagay na malamang 3 sa 50 na tao ang may pakielam

Ryan wrote:

haha.
Pop! panu ba malalaman kung Pop?
ang alam ko kasi
Pop eh pina iksi ng Popular
popular culture("kung anu ang in o kaya trend")
once na ma break mo yung mainstream eh magiging Pop
yung music.
like Greenday, Blink 182, Offspring, Ramones, Sex Pistol, The Clash, The Buzzcocks,
at madami pang Punk bands na nag set ng trend sa music scene...
at once na madaming maka apreciate sa music nila ng hindi sila nag iiba ng tunog (LINKIN PARK/CHICOSCI/) safe to say na hindi sila sell out..
pati for me Punk is a culture na puwede mong i aply sa any type of music
kahit Metal, Ska, Jazz, Hip Hop, Soul, Reggae, at bahalaka ka na sa iba pang music na gusto mong isispin..
basta dipende sa artist yan! hindi porket naka gear ka eh punk ka na!
may na i kwento sa kin yung kaibigan ko na nakakatawa.
one time gig sa cavite daw..
may isang banda na naka gear at spike na buhok
then nung set nila eh kumanta ng "Bodies" hindi ng Sex Pistol kundi ng Drowning Pool
haha. im not against the song. gusto ko nga yung song na yung ng Drowning Pool
pero naman chong.

anu yung melodic punk?
ahm siguro once you break the rules of 3 chords,
eh melodic na yung tunog mo... madaming banda sa punk scene na gumawa nito
at sa tingin ko walang problema dun...

oi
lahat ng sinulat ko eh Point Of View ko
bahala na kayo kung iba yung paniniwala nyo..



Linkin Park (Rap Rock nung una kong napakinggan),
Chicosci/Chicoscience (Rap/NeoMetal nung una kung napakinggan)

ANg showbiz mo talaga tae...pweh!...hehe...

walang rules!...yan ang punk...you can play punk...in whatever sense you like...ganyan ka diverse ang punk...

shux...bobo nman ng thread na 2

It should be consider!

Ang tanong paano ka maglalabel ng poppunk?
sabi nga maraming respected DIY Poppunk bands pero marami din Poppunk bands na claimers na nagiging poprock o powerpop na ang tunog. marami niyan sa Indie scene.

YES!

blink 182, the offspring = yes
fall out boy, =

sammolski wrote:

blink 182, the offspring = yes
fall out boy, =

pero yun late album ng blink 182 at ibang kanta ng offspring hindi na poppunk.

YES. Pop punk is punk as long as they're not pretentious posers and they live up to DIY ethics.

andrew wrote:

haha opinyon nga naman, nagsayang ng oras gumawa ng sulat tungkol sa isang bagay na malamang 3 sa 50 na tao ang may pakielam

that's so not punk! punks are like real artist! they dont care who, what or how many digs their music.

Its all in the form of music and the sets of belief. An anarchist, dissident, communist, lumpen proletariat, lntellectual dissident, atheist, agnostic, or anti social can be a punk. But a very bougeoisie capitalist oriented person will find it hard to be a punk. I even think rightist cant be punk. As Against All Authority says in their song- its a subculture of consciousness against the bourgeoisie society state. And the bands that can best express this subculture can be considered punk. I said bands not music that can express because two group of people can play the same intense beat and performance but one can be a punk, and the other not if the other does not play music for change, but just wants to be a rockstar. So can pop punk be considered punk? DEPENDS ON THE BELIEFS AND ACTIONS OF THE BAND MEMBERS!

So can pop punk be considered punk? DEPENDS ON THE BELIEFS AND ACTIONS OF THE BAND MEMBERS!

this is also the reason why we have the word sellouts- people who used to think and act as punks then suddenly or gradually changed solely for the money.

parang kilala ko tong si renmin ah.parang lang.

renminzaitsev wrote:

that's so not punk! punks are like real artist! they dont care who, what or how many digs their music.

Its all in the form of music and the sets of belief. An anarchist, dissident, communist, lumpen proletariat, lntellectual dissident, atheist, agnostic, or anti social can be a punk. But a very bougeoisie capitalist oriented person will find it hard to be a punk. I even think rightist cant be punk. As Against All Authority says in their song- its a subculture of consciousness against the bourgeoisie society state. And the bands that can best express this subculture can be considered punk. I said bands not music that can express because two group of people can play the same intense beat and performance but one can be a punk, and the other not if the other does not play music for change, but just wants to be a rockstar. So can pop punk be considered punk? DEPENDS ON THE BELIEFS AND ACTIONS OF THE BAND MEMBERS!

very well said!

ukinam1978 wrote:

parang kilala ko tong si renmin ah.parang lang.

haha hulaan mo sabihin mo sakin mamaya hehe

soral wrote:

renminzaitsev wrote:

that's so not punk! punks are like real artist! they dont care who, what or how many digs their music.

Its all in the form of music and the sets of belief. An anarchist, dissident, communist, lumpen proletariat, lntellectual dissident, atheist, agnostic, or anti social can be a punk. But a very bougeoisie capitalist oriented person will find it hard to be a punk. I even think rightist cant be punk. As Against All Authority says in their song- its a subculture of consciousness against the bourgeoisie society state. And the bands that can best express this subculture can be considered punk. I said bands not music that can express because two group of people can play the same intense beat and performance but one can be a punk, and the other not if the other does not play music for change, but just wants to be a rockstar. So can pop punk be considered punk? DEPENDS ON THE BELIEFS AND ACTIONS OF THE BAND MEMBERS!

very well said!

thanks!

drummer ka ba dati ni dong abay?haha.hula lang baka mali.

sorry pre hindi ako yun! akala ko nga kaw yung tropa kong taga malolos, di pala. heheh. ang mahalaga ay we are all out there trying to save minds(including ours) from the quicksands of conformity to the ruling class!
magkita, magdiskurso, magkwentuhang barbero, at malasing nalang tayo sa flattbush gig sa manila.

YES.