Should Prostitution be LEGAL? (sensitive material, be warned)

okay, i just had a talk with a couple of buddies about this at work and i thought i should post it here, see what the forum says about it. So, Prostitution, should it be legal?




Here's my thought.

I say no, and i totally base my opinion because of morality. This would lead to adultery one way or the other. Yung mga pamilyang medyo may pagkalabuan, madadali nito kapag legal ang prostitution.

on the other side, kung magiging legal naman eh there should be a law protecting both the prosti and the customers.

I think there should be licenses (parang doctor) sa sino mang sasabak sa ganitong "propesyon".

There should be enough medical test para maging safe for STD's ang mga customers and/or ung prosti.

There should be an age limit, probably 21 or 22 and age 35 dapat tigil na. To protect the prosti.

There should be a "much formal" place to do the transactions. Parang agency instead of KTV's, bars etc. So parang escort service ang dating.

There should be a law kapag hinawaan ng sakit ung prosti ng customers.

Fixed rate. (500 pesos ang bj??? extra 100 sa mga weird stuff???).




sa amsterdam legal kasi daw... (hallo! smakelijk eten!)


pero im against it pa rin. kung makakawasak 'to ng pamilya eh hindi dapat i allow...

the pro-choice would say yes to this one..

hindi lahat ng prostitutes ay biktima at hindi lang prostitusyon ang cause ng lahat ng mga kamunduhan at pagkakawatak watak ng pamilya sa sa mundo. iconsider din natin yung ibang bagay bakit nawawasak ang mga pamilya.. unfair namn na isisi agad sa ganon yun. kaya nga tayo may mga utak eh, para gamitin to... thats just me.

madaming issues and mababangga ng topic na to, iisa-isahin ko pa ba? this is one of the oldest profession sa history... kung nasa lugar naman yung restrictions (lalo na sa age limit) at masusing babantayan ng gobyerno ang kalusugan ng mga prostitutes... why not choconut? but then again, nasa pinas tayo so.. ASA!

may mga babaeng nageenjoy sa trabaho nila, and that includes some prostitutes...
hindi lahat ng napapanood sa balita at mga pelikula about prostitutes ay tama.. kumaibigan kayo ng prosti at kausapin ng heart to heart... try nyo muna. yung iba maantig kayo, yung iba maeempower kayo.. pramis!

kaso pag di na bawal, baka hindi na masarap.. patay na ang industriya.

ang sagot dito ay HINDI! kawawa naman ang mga kababaihan na nasa ganitong sitwasyon, lalo lang silang masasadlak sa kaawa-awang kalagayan. maraming paraan, hindi lang pagbebenta ng laman!

mr. swansong wrote:

kaso pag di na bawal, baka hindi na masarap.. patay na ang industriya.

Tama.. Un nga ung nag papasarap eh..

BTT: I say no..

hi mama!! hehe naaawa din ako sa mga lalaking prosti hehehehe kapag naging legal eh mababawasan pa yong kita nila dahil sa tax

parang sa amsterdam ba bro? mejo ok yan, iwas din sa paglaganap ng sakit. marami na rin na nga namang pokpok bakit di pa gamitan ng gantong sistema diba? dagdag tax pa para sa mga PU.. aprub ako jan.lol
pero sa tingin ko di yan gagana sa ganitong bansa sa ngayon. di ganon kalawak ang isip ng ilan sa ating elders para jan. contraceptives nga nilalabanan e, prosti pa. pero naimagine ko na yang ganyang scenario dito sa pinas nung napanood ko deuce bigalow. nakadisplay parang damit lang.

Well i'd say no, i really don't like seeing women flaunt their bodies just like that, besides, there are much more wonderful things a woman can do aside from prostitution, they are really really great cooks and can be and most of them are influential citizens.

So a big no my friends

Well i'd say no, i really don't like seeing women flaunt their bodies just like that, besides, there are much more wonderful things a woman can do aside from prostitution, they are really really great cooks and can be and most of them are influential citizens.

So a big no my friends

yes..

anu pinagkaiba ng legal sa ilegal? pag ilegal malamang yong kumikita yong small time na authority dahil sa mga lagay. pero pag legal yong mataas na yong pwesto dahil sa tax. pero ganun padin yong kalagayan namin lumalaki lang butas ng pwet ko.
MANY JOINTS TO COME FLOWERGRAVE!!!!!

tat's boy wrote:

anu pinagkaiba ng legal sa ilegal? pag ilegal malamang yong kumikita yong small time na authority dahil sa mga lagay. pero pag legal yong mataas na yong pwesto dahil sa tax. pero ganun padin yong kalagayan namin lumalaki lang butas ng pwet ko.
MANY JOINTS TO COME FLOWERGRAVE!!!!!

PASENSYA NA 2HUNDRED LANG NAABOT KO SAYO NUNG LINGGO,BAWI KA NA LANG ULIT SA SUSUNOD.SANA MATULOY NA YUNG OPERASYON MO PARA VIRGIN KA ULIT AT TIGHT.

SALAMAT DUN PRE!!! AKO KASI SANA MAGBIBIGAY SAYO! NAG ENJOY KASI AKO KALA KO VIRGIN ULIT PWET KO SA LAKI NG DILA MO

third world countries will always have two answers for this issue...
yes for some reasons and no for other meaningful reasons

some countries played this issue as legal to the public, most of the countries are first world,
and the reasons for making those unnecessary issues legal maybe for just pleasure and personal opinions...
reasons like "its just an individual freedom of choice" as a person to decide on its own will..
maybe we could say it reasonable infact..

well, i might agree on that part..

but for some reasons regarding the issue of poverty that depends on how violent the environment is, maybe no one to blame... and blaming others for others is never a good reason just to enhance your personality as a person...

this is a very complicated issue discussing on a christian country
but for personal reasons, this might be a hell of a discussion ^_^ hahaha

still undecided actually.

Jepoyic wrote:

Well i'd say no, i really don't like seeing women flaunt their bodies just like that, besides, there are much more wonderful things a woman can do aside from prostitution, they are really really great cooks and can be and most of them are influential citizens.

So a big no my friends

ahhmm.. sir.. yan ba talaga saloobin mo??? pede mo pang irephrase. hehe.

^^

'Kupow.. hahaha... ayan na!

WORLD'S OLDEST PROFESSION... SO WHY NOT?

As long as there are accessible options then you have to leave it to personal choice.

THIRD-GRADERS KNOW BEST.

prostitution is one of those 'dirty' jobs people would rather not talk about. i don't want to pretend that i am herald of a sense of so-called morality that complacently sweeps this under the rug. at the end of the day, i believe we should work both ways to keep our people safe. i'm not saying i view prostitution in a totally positive light but i believe it shouldn't be looked down upon the way most people do, either way a guy/girl's gotta eat and find something to feed his or her children with. should prostitution be made legal, we're looking at another demographic for the government to generate revenue from in terms of taxes, likewise measures have to be implemented that defend the health and well-being of both the consumers and the prostitutes themselves. ideally, people wouldn't have to do this but this isn't an ideal world and i'd rather that we provide the people in the industry with a little consolation, making the profession more openly acceptable to the bigger picture of society.

i say yes. besides, how is something like this going to matter to us? we don't exactly take part in it ourselves, do we?

pasali lang.

i think the appropriate term would be "DECRIMINALIZE PROSTITUTION" ...

the topic is NOT sensitive but 'always sensationalized' and boils down to being 'derogatory or denigrating' to indeed one of the oldest profession on earth...the sex workers.

few things to think about:


1. Legal means you're allowing the STATE & it's tentacles to CONTROL your 'means of livelihood'.
ang Legal nilang pamamaraan syempre ay TAX. kung ok lang sa atin na 10% o higit pa (.5 to 1day of our salary if you work 5days/1wk)...di ka siguro magrereklamo sa tax. bukod pa dito ang VAT na nakadikit na sa anumang bilihin dito sa atin. if you like government, accept Tax & embrace 'legal means'.

2. Police/Military as the 'arm' of the state has a 'legal obligation' to protect you once this is legal alrdy. of course alam naman natin na ke legal o hindi, ginagawa nila ang gusto nila. pag legal na, magiging klaro lang ang 'role' nila ngayon. hindi naman porket legal na eh wala na silang kotong o patong, siguradong magiging mas malala ito.

3. Business/Investors/Capitalist Interest has always been the 'monetary body' of the STATE. who would prevent them from 'raising the bars of adult entertainment/prostitution' once it's legal? definitely NOT the STATE or the MILITARY because it will be all made legal now. of course it will open doors to new businesses and maybe, just maybe pwedeng kumita ang isang sex worker ng malaki, magiging example ng magandang buhay o dili kaya'y magiging 'role model' to justify it's legalization. pero syempre, sa 1 success story = libo libong 'sad stories' (for concrete example:the current porn industry).

4. Rape/Sexual Assault/Drugs & all the Horrors attached to Womyn & Sex have always been present since the dawn of civilization... NOT that i'm a negative thinker...but i can certainly assume that this will NOT ONLY be present but will escalate to 'inhumane proportions' wherein at a certain point, just like what the Talibans recently did, RAPING A WOMAN is alrdy legal. once it's legal, it's all NEW Horrors once again, but this time we're all in trouble...


these are just few of things that comprise the 'legal path' ika nga. as much as we deny it, it's a 'patriarchal society'...that if a man 'frames discussion over prostitution, it's always clouded in our sexism. the good thing abt it (at least for me) is that we confront our conception/evaluation of desires & how we relate to womyn. it's 1 thing NOT to agree or accept their lifestyle & source of income but it's another thing to 'equate' their work with gender/sexuality or assume that we understand what it is to be a sex worker. or at worst call it 'dirty'... morality, family values, christian doctrines doesn't mean shit kapag kumakalam ang sikmura mo. at sabi nga ng homeless kung kakilala, malamang kung me Diyos man, nagugutom rin sya. magparamdam lang sya, ibibigay ko tong 'vegan sandwich' ko.


how we chose to earn a living and how & who we chose to have sex with, whether we're making money or not is something reserved for us alone. the state, religion, military-industrial complex DOES NOT have any right to determine & control nor dictate what it should or should not be.

everyone may want to check out Daisy Anarchy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlqXUtjMjQ

just my opinion. thank you for reading. thank you pala for posting "sensible topics". hehehe...keep your cool & save 'valuable time' heheh...

mr. swansong wrote:

Jepoyic wrote:

Well i'd say no, i really don't like seeing women flaunt their bodies just like that, besides, there are much more wonderful things a woman can do aside from prostitution, they are really really great cooks and can be and most of them are influential citizens.

So a big no my friends

ahhmm.. sir.. yan ba talaga saloobin mo??? pede mo pang irephrase. hehe.

A nakakalito ba? Hehe sorry po, ang ibig kong sabihin eh parang dapat i forget about nalang ang prostitution, para kasing it's not a good thing for girls eh, tsaka wala lang, it kinda makes me feel sorry for them they're doing that stuff. i mean tsaka aus ang mga babae, madaming babae sa historya nang mundo na impluwensiyal sa positibong paraan, dapat lang eh parang kalimutan na itong prostitusyon, xenxia na ako eh bata palamang at wala akong idea kung paano ang sistema nitong prostitusyon

feminist?

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i think the appropriate term would be "DECRIMINALIZE PROSTITUTION" ...

oo tama decriminalize just like weed... hehe

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2. Police/Military as the 'arm' of the state has a 'legal obligation' to protect you once this is legal alrdy. of course alam naman natin na ke legal o hindi, ginagawa nila ang gusto nila. pag legal na, magiging klaro lang ang 'role' nila ngayon. hindi naman porket legal na eh wala na silang kotong o patong, siguradong magiging mas malala ito.

eto pang mga to ang numero unong aabuso sa mga babae...

mr.Christian killer pano yung mga katulad kong lalake?

napaka sensitibong issue at maraming angulong dapat tingnan...
e2 e "personal" na pananaw ko....

*Tama sigurong i-Legalize:
Para mag karoon ng proteksyon ang mga babaeng nasa ganitong propesyon...
Kasi kung bugbugin sila at abusuhin ng kostomer nila, di sila pwedeng sabihan na "ayus lang yan wala kang matatakbuhan kasi ikaw pa ang ikukulong"

*Pero mas tama na siguyro yung Decriminalize:
Napakatandang propesyon na kasi 'neto... Panahon pa ni Moses sa bible my mga patutut na... ilan na ang nahusgahang batuhin ng bato hanggang mamatay dahil lang sa maling paghusga ng tao... simpleng ekonomiks... kaya may supply kasi may demand... dahil makalaman ang tao, kaya may nagbebenta ng laman.... kaya mamulat na sana ang mga impokreto at mapanghusga... pumulot ng unang bato ang hindi malibugan kay magdalena...

*Pero ang stand ko sa prostetosyon:

Maging legal man sya... siguradong magiging medium pa rin sya ng exploitasion... kung tatanungin mo kung pano magkakaroon ng "better prostitusyon", para mo na ring tinanong kung pano magkakaroon ng "better sweatshops" na tingin ko e walang sagot, kung 'di "i-abolish" dapat...
Oo, naturalesang pangangailangan nga ng katawan ang mag-release ng libog,,, Pero dahil Tao tayo na may sense of morality (ex. freedom, justice, responsibility) at hindi lang mga unggoy na ang kaligayahan lang ay mabusog sa tinapay, siguro dapat nating pagisipan kung tama ba na bumaba ang moral ng isang tao (dahil nagiging sex "object" sila) para lang masustentohan ang pangangailangan natin. Sa prostitusyon kasi, di tulad ng masahe na "serbisyo" lang ang binebenta,,, kasama mong binebenta dito ang katawan, at kung minsan, pagkatao.

LEGALIZE
DECRIMINALIZE
But I can't ADVERTIZE

di tulad ng weed...
Legalize it,,, and I will Advertize it ... GRAVE !!!!

pa kiss nga selo, hayaan nyo, ilalakad ntin sa kamara ng mga opinyon nyo!

galing ni selo nu? sinu nagsabi nakakabobo yong weed? hehehe

I think it should be legalized. My logic being that if it were, like the legalization of some prohibited drugs, violence against women by their pimps and the shady side of the business itself, would be eliminated because it would be a legit business. As for degrading women, I have so much respect for women and I think of the two sexes, they are superior. But whether or not a woman sells her body for money is totally that individual's decision. If anything, I think viewing women who voluntarily sell their bodies for a profit as poor, little weaklings with no sense is degrading to females in itself.Obviously, if prostituion were legal, ther would have to be a law passed regarding age which would have to be strongly enforced.

puzzledpanther wrote:

As for degrading women, I have so much respect for women and I think of the two sexes, they are superior. But whether or not a woman sells her body for money is totally that individual's decision. If anything, I think viewing women who voluntarily sell their bodies for a profit as poor, little weaklings with no sense is degrading to females in itself.

I agree...
but how about those women who "voluntarily" work for "sweatshops"? .... It's also their choice...
they choose to get paid... but i still consider them "abused" and "degraded" (note: my view is that they are not degraded by "themselves", but those employers that sees them as slaves, just like those bastards customers that will think of prostitutes as sex "objects",,, just "objects")...

Thats right,,, we all have our right to choose... but i hope, the system and society can also give us "options to choose from"... may karapatan ka ngang pumili, wala ka naman mapagpiliian. then society condemns you if you choose to sell your body.... hay buhay...

Mga Sirs, suggestion lang, i-review ulit natin yung pelikulang "Torro" ni Joel Lamangan... Tignan natin yung economic aspect, political aspect at cultural aspect ng pelikula. Then, sagutin ulit natin yung subject matter.

Hwag nating tignan yung pelikula na bold movie ha... Basta yung tatlong aspeto na nabanggit ko sa itaas ang kilatisin natin.



Tks/Rommel

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I agree...
but how about those women who "voluntarily" work for "sweatshops"? .... It's also their choice...
they choose to get paid... but i still consider them "abused" and "degraded" (note: my view is that they are not degraded by "themselves", but those employers that sees them as slaves, just like those bastards customers that will think of prostitutes as sex "objects",,, just "objects")...

I see your point. But if prostitution were a legitimate form of business, the women would be given the chance to walk away from an abusive customer because there would other men lined up to do business with them. Also, if legalized, I feel strict laws should be enforced to protect the rights of prostitutes. Right now, because it is illegal, men can bascially do whatever they want or treat the women however they want but under a legalized system, the rights of the women who work as prostitutes would be protected while at the same time not having to worry about losing business or being arrested.

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Thats right,,, we all have our right to choose... but i hope, the system and society can also give us "options to choose from"... may karapatan ka ngang pumili, wala ka naman mapagpiliian. then society condemns you if you choose to sell your body.... hay buhay...

I agree but legalizing prositution and taking it seriously would take years because there are so many concerns that need to be addressed: Women's rights, STDs...
Honestly, I think prostituion will be legalized, if not anytime soon, definately in the future. Anyways, as someone else pointed out in an earlier post above, it is the world's oldest profession.

As far as our society condemming women who choose to sell their body, that is our ignorance. We, especially Filipinos in general, are so quick to point out other people's flaws but just as quick to overlook our own. It is not fair but that is to be expected in a society which prides itself in a being a "Christian nation" with "old fashioned" values.

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Mga Sirs, suggestion lang, i-review ulit natin yung pelikulang "Torro" ni Joel Lamangan... Tignan natin yung economic aspect, political aspect at cultural aspect ng pelikula. Then, sagutin ulit natin yung subject matter.

I haven't seen it yet. I was trying to look it up but couldn't really find anything. What's it about?

puzzledpanther wrote:

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Mga Sirs, suggestion lang, i-review ulit natin yung pelikulang "Torro" ni Joel Lamangan... Tignan natin yung economic aspect, political aspect at cultural aspect ng pelikula. Then, sagutin ulit natin yung subject matter.

I haven't seen it yet. I was trying to look it up but couldn't really find anything. What's it about?

Tungkol po 'yan sa topic... Maganda yung pelikula, kaso pinagbawal ng mtrcb... Kung may mga kaibigan ka na mahilig sa porn, baka mayron sila nun kasi naging kontrobersyal ang pelikula.

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Tungkol po 'yan sa topic... Maganda yung pelikula, kaso pinagbawal ng mtrcb... Kung may mga kaibigan ka na mahilig sa porn, baka mayron sila nun kasi naging kontrobersyal ang pelikula.

I'll check it out. Thanks.

puzzledpanther wrote:

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I agree...
but how about those women who "voluntarily" work for "sweatshops"? .... It's also their choice...
they choose to get paid... but i still consider them "abused" and "degraded" (note: my view is that they are not degraded by "themselves", but those employers that sees them as slaves, just like those bastards customers that will think of prostitutes as sex "objects",,, just "objects")...

I see your point. But if prostitution were a legitimate form of business, the women would be given the chance to walk away from an abusive customer because there would other men lined up to do business with them. Also, if legalized, I feel strict laws should be enforced to protect the rights of prostitutes. Right now, because it is illegal, men can bascially do whatever they want or treat the women however they want but under a legalized system, the rights of the women who work as prostitutes would be protected while at the same time not having to worry about losing business or being arrested.

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Thats right,,, we all have our right to choose... but i hope, the system and society can also give us "options to choose from"... may karapatan ka ngang pumili, wala ka naman mapagpiliian. then society condemns you if you choose to sell your body.... hay buhay...

I agree but legalizing prositution and taking it seriously would take years because there are so many concerns that need to be addressed: Women's rights, STDs...
Honestly, I think prostituion will be legalized, if not anytime soon, definately in the future. Anyways, as someone else pointed out in an earlier post above, it is the world's oldest profession.

As far as our society condemming women who choose to sell their body, that is our ignorance. We, especially Filipinos in general, are so quick to point out other people's flaws but just as quick to overlook our own. It is not fair but that is to be expected in a society which prides itself in a being a "Christian nation" with "old fashioned" values.

Yes,,,
like i said...

LEGALIZE = because it may somehow protect "not just women" but all prostitutes...
DECRIMINALIZE = because i believe that they shuldnt be condemned if they "choose" to sell their body.

But I can't ADVERTIZE = because even if it become legal like sweatshops today... i would'nt want this trade to prosper. and though i believe they have their right to choose, and respect their choice, i still hope they will not choose to do it,,,



PS.
i will just want correct what i previously quoted to agree in your previous statement:,,,

selo is the name wrote:

puzzledpanther wrote:

As for degrading women, I have so much respect for women and I think of the two sexes, they are superior. But whether or not a woman sells her body for money is totally that individual's decision. If anything, I think viewing women who voluntarily sell their bodies for a profit as poor, little weaklings with no sense is degrading to females in itself.

I agree...

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"I have so much respect for women and I think of the two sexes, they are superior"

i just want to clarify that i don't agree in this one coz i believe men and women are equal...

but don't get me wrong, i respect if you believe women are superior...

i just might be mis-"quoted" :-)

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But I can't ADVERTIZE = because even if it become legal like sweatshops today... i would'nt want this trade to prosper. and though i believe they have their right to choose, and respect their choice, i still hope they will not choose to do it,,,

Well, that's really a matter of opinion. Just because a woman is a prostitute and the "moral majority" looks down on her doesn't mean that her profession is wrong. Bigots look down on homosexuals, does that mean that they should change their lifestyle or sexual preference in order to please society?

But whereas some are working to legalize prostitution, with the exception of the soulless corporate fascists, almost everyone concerned with the issue, is working to make the sweatshop a thing of the past. Given a proper system with laws created to protect the rights of all prostitutes, decriminalized prostitution could work. Sweatshops have never and will never work.

I'll admit there is a parallel between workers who work in sweatshops for a slave wage and the abuse that some prostitutes suffer but like I said, under a legalized system, this would not be an issue.

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i just want to clarify that i don't agree in this one coz i believe men and women are equal...

I disagree. Yes, we are all equal as human beings but I think because of all the pain a woman can suffer throughout her life, from the pain of giving birth to monthly menstrual cycles, and then going back to the injustices men have committed against women throughout history, through everything women have prevailed. Women are the mothers of the human race and it is because of that I feel women are superior. And no, I was never a woman but I feel great empathy for women and feel they have yet to be given their proper due.

puzzledpanther wrote:

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But I can't ADVERTIZE = because even if it become legal like sweatshops today... i would'nt want this trade to prosper. and though i believe they have their right to choose, and respect their choice, i still hope they will not choose to do it,,,

Well, that's really a matter of opinion. Just because a woman is a prostitute and the "moral majority" looks down on her doesn't mean that her profession is wrong. Bigots look down on homosexuals, does that mean that they should change their lifestyle or sexual preference in order to please society?

But whereas some are working to legalize prostitution, with the exception of the soulless corporate fascists, almost everyone concerned with the issue, is working to make the sweatshop a thing of the past. Given a proper system with laws created to protect the rights of all prostitutes, decriminalized prostitution could work. Sweatshops have never and will never work.

I'll admit there is a parallel between workers who work in sweatshops for a slave wage and the abuse that some prostitutes suffer but like I said, under a legalized system, this would not be an issue.

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i just want to clarify that i don't agree in this one coz i believe men and women are equal...

I disagree. Yes, we are all equal as human beings but I think because of all the pain a woman can suffer throughout her life, from the pain of giving birth to monthly menstrual cycles, and then going back to the injustices men have committed against women throughout history, through everything women have prevailed. Women are the mothers of the human race and it is because of that I feel women are superior. And no, I was never a woman but I feel great empathy for women and feel they have yet to be given their proper due.

"Bigots look down on homosexuals, does that mean that they should change their lifestyle or sexual preference in order to please society?"

-Being 'homosexual' is not a "choice" of 'earning a living'... I don't see the analogy....
working in sweatshops is a choice of making money, and "most" of them didn't know that they are being exploited... that's why i choose it as an analogy...
like i said previously, even if this becomes legalized, this business will still be a medium for exploitation... under a legalized system, this 'will still' be an issue.

I didn't say being a prostitute is 'wrong', i don't know where you get that... maybe because i said "i still hope they will not choose to do it,,," that statement has a deeper meaning, i will not discuss it coz i know someday,,, you'll understand...

i'll give you a clue...
"Wala akong magagawa kung 'gusto' (choice) ng magiging mga anak mo at anak ko na maging putatsing, pero 'sana' (i hope) wag silang maging putatsing...." kahit pro-choice tayo at maging legalized 'to siguro ayaw mo namang pangarapin maging prosti mga anak natin... ako, ayaw ko talaga... ikaw?

pero kung gusto talaga ng mga kidz,,, edi i-manage natin....

Dirty Shoes Records wrote:

puzzledpanther wrote:

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Mga Sirs, suggestion lang, i-review ulit natin yung pelikulang "Torro" ni Joel Lamangan... Tignan natin yung economic aspect, political aspect at cultural aspect ng pelikula. Then, sagutin ulit natin yung subject matter.

I haven't seen it yet. I was trying to look it up but couldn't really find anything. What's it about?

Tungkol po 'yan sa topic... Maganda yung pelikula, kaso pinagbawal ng mtrcb... Kung may mga kaibigan ka na mahilig sa porn, baka mayron sila nun kasi naging kontrobersyal ang pelikula.

Astig na pelikula 'to... isa sa mga paborito kong film na social realism ang genre.... meron netong DVD release with special feature na short documentary about the controversy... Mabibili nyo ng original sa Astro vison at syempre, may pirated sa suki nating muslim sa quiapo

hehehe...nakaka aliw naman ang palitan ng mga opinyon ng mga ka-diy forumers!

miyong wrote:

mr.Christian killer pano yung mga katulad kong lalake?

hehe...alam mo na sagot jan! malaya ka nang maglabas ng 'pink panthers' sa publiko at walang maaaring umokray sa yo! hehe!

para siguro mas malinaw at konting clarification :


decriminalize : to reduce or abolish criminal penalties/status/classification . meaning mawawala ang karapatan ng estado, pulis at kunsinupamang naghahari harian na ikaw ay pigilan, bawalan o kung anu pa man. malaya kang magbenta kung kailan mo gusto, ayun sa iyong nais, ke babae o lalake ka. hindi nito kayang pigilan ang "morality-shit" ng mga relihoyoso, pero wala silang magagawa at hindi ka nila pwedeng pigilan dahil karapatan mo ito. yung pagtingin/paghusga eh di mapipigilan sapagkat magkakaiba tayo ng mga pananaw, inaalis lamang ng decriminalization ang abilidad ng kung sino mang pigilan ang pumili ng ganitong uri ng hanapbuhay.


legalize: to give legal validity or sanction to. meaning kahit anu pa mang gawin mo sa isang gawain na tinatawag na illegal, ke pagbebenta ng laman o paghithit ng tuyot na dahon ke nakabubuti ito o hindi, ke me natutulungan ka o wala...bawal sya. at dahil bawal sya ayon sa batas, merong karapatan ang gobyerno, pulis/militar, husgado, businessman na pigilan ka sa ginagawa mo, pwede kang saktan o patayin kung kinakailangan, lahat alang alang sa tinatawag nilang social justice system. ngayon, siguro iniisip nating mali naman yata yun kasi me karapatan ka rin bilang mamamayan sa pantay na pagtrato ng batas...tama ka.. pero yun ay kung nasa 'ideal situation o ideal world' ka. totoong yun ang nakalagay sa papel, sa libro at sa lahat ng dokumento pwede mong makuha... pero...as in pero...sa totoong buhay...reality-wise ika nga hindi totoo na poprotektahan ka ng gobyerno at ng batas kapag ikaw ay lumabag. maaaring me ilang istorya na nagtagumpay ang mahirap laban sa mayaman o di kaya'y me 'sex worker' na umahon sa kahirapan at naging isang magandang halimbawa ng kasipagan, pagpupunyagi at kung anu ano pang napaka gagandang bagay sa buhay...pero ang totoo, iilan lamang sila. mas marami ang mga 'Erap' na hindi na nakakulong, Jalosjos na sarap buhay preso, Palparan na pasusuwelduhin mo ng tax mo, Sy/Gatmaitan/Tan/Cojuangco at sangkaterbang Intsik businessman na mahaba haba rin ang listahan ng 'exploitation' ika nga na malayang kumikilos, masarap ang buhay, kumakain ng sagana, marangya ang kasuotan at mejo malakas ang loob ng magsalitang kami ay para sa mahirap. sabihin na nating 'naive' tayo at siguro nga eh totoo ang sinasabi nila, pwede sigurong dahil mga 'bata' pa tayo, pwedeng 'mali' tayo, mahina siguro ang 'pananampalataya' natin at kung anu ano pang kadahilanan...end of the day pwede kang mag-isip at magmuni at pag usapan natin yan bukas.

pero just to reiterate lang po... violence against womyn DOES NOT STOP when prostitution is legal or when it is made legitimate business.. it's 1 WAY STREET..it will create more OPPORTUNITIES TO VIOLATE WOMYN to earn more PROFIT. besides there is an existing 'legal prostitution' alrdy...most of us call it 'MARRIAGE', especially for the 'traditional ARRANGED Marriage'. whether if it's VOLUNTARY or NOT, womyn trapped in a 'Patriarchal World' with limited Options DOES NOT really make A Choice, they simply try to Adapt & Survive. hindi porke't puta o pokpok ang isang tao... ang dahilan eh tamad sya, balahura, mababang uri ng tao o di kaya'y walang moralidad o dili kaya'y kaawaan natin sila...pwede nating isipin na ito ay isang marangal na propesyon o kaya'y ito ang pinakamagandang 'choice' nila gaano man ka-'temporary' ito. at ganun din siguro sa lahat ng uri ng trabaho, lalo na kung ang kinabibilangang 'demograpiya' eh yung "below-eating-level" (mas mababa pa daw kasi ito sa below-minimum-wage-earner). hindi nga 'legal' ito sa pinas pero sa mga lugar na ito ay legal na at tanggap ng ilang porsiyento ng lipunan, eh meron pa ring 'exploitation'. bilang example, irerefer ko ulit kayo ke Daisy Anarchy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlqXUtjMjQ


religion : dahil nga sa ang pinas eh 'christian nation' kaya ganito ka-bulok ang pagtingin natin sa isyung ito. ito'y taboo at hindi pinag uusapan kahit na sangkaterba at naglipana sa lahat ng media ang usaping 'sex' at 'sexwork'. at hindi mauubusan ng dahilan ang simbahan para protektahan ang morality kuno at ang kasagraduhan ng pamilya. nakakatawa ang pari na nagse sermon about sex na kahit kailan eh hindi pa nakaka-experience ng sex at jakolero pa rin hanggang ngayon o kaya ang madre na virgin na pinagsasabihan ang mga 'pokpok' abt 'pleasures of being a christian'. kung me hipokrito, kanuknukan sa kadimunyuhan (yawa kulera!) yang si cardinal sin! pangalan pa lang kasalanan na! sinong niloko nya? hehehe....


at regarding 'TORO' the movie. nakakaantig. sabi nga ng kaibigan ko, kapag nalibugan ka sa movie, me 'tama' ka. magandang pambukas isip. pero meron akong isa pang suhestiyon. kung taga-maynila ka rin lang o kaya'y malapit sa quiapo, avenida, sta. cruz, pasay, monumento o baclaran... try mo lang maggala gala, maglakad lakad ng mga 1AM at magtanung tanong ng 'torohan', ika'y papalarin. maaari mo ring kausapin at ilibre na rin ng tig P5-10 kape ang mga 'sex worker'. nailibre mo na sila, marami ka pang mapupulot na aral... at mga technique!


anyway, salamat sa pagbabasa. sencia na mahaba. bihira kasi maka-net, probinsyano ba? sencia na rin kung matagal makaka reply. thenks!

wala namang tutuong ILLEGAL sa mundo e mapa kung anu pa man yan.

DRUGS?
PROSTITUTION?
WEAPONS?
CORRUPTION?
WAR?
CLONING?
DVD?
TAE?


Yan mga yan i- LEGAL mo man o i-ILLEGAL parehas lang..nandyan parin yan mag MAMAHAL lang pag LEGAL na.

hindi lahat ng legal tama, hindi lahat ng illegal mali.

Dirty Shoes Records wrote:

puzzledpanther wrote:

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Mga Sirs, suggestion lang, i-review ulit natin yung pelikulang "Torro" ni Joel Lamangan... Tignan natin yung economic aspect, political aspect at cultural aspect ng pelikula. Then, sagutin ulit natin yung subject matter.

I haven't seen it yet. I was trying to look it up but couldn't really find anything. What's it about?

Tungkol po 'yan sa topic... Maganda yung pelikula, kaso pinagbawal ng mtrcb... Kung may mga kaibigan ka na mahilig sa porn, baka mayron sila nun kasi naging kontrobersyal ang pelikula.

sana may download nito, nakita ko na 2 one time eh, hindi ko inintindi ung storya, dinadale kasi si Ana Capri kaya sarap nood...

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-Being 'homosexual' is not a "choice" of 'earning a living'... I don't see the analogy....
working in sweatshops is a choice of making money, and "most" of them didn't know that they are being exploited... that's why i choose it as an analogy...
like i said previously, even if this becomes legalized, this business will still be a medium for exploitation... under a legalized system, this 'will still' be an issue.

Being homosexual is a sexual preference but it is also a lifestyle. Not all prostitutes are working to support a family. Have you ever heard the term, "high class whore"? Some prostitutes actually enjoy their line of work, as difficult as that may to believe. It is not just an occupation but a lifestyle for them and they enjoy it. Give, yes, my analogy was a bit off but was trying to make a point about the ignorant that plagues so many others.

Anyways, not all prostitutes are being exploited. That's just a stereotype. Some actually love their line of work, high class whores, many prostitutes could give up their line of work and start a new and better life with the money they've earned over the years but instead choose no to.

There are many legitimate jobs where workers are exploited. Within the confines of a demanding business, there is always a high chance of a worker being exploited. It is not right but under a strict legal system, exploitation wouldn't even be a word associated with decriminalized prostitution.

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I didn't say being a prostitute is 'wrong', i don't know where you get that... maybe because i said "i still hope they will not choose to do it,,," that statement has a deeper meaning, i will not discuss it coz i know someday,,, you'll understand...

i'll give you a clue...
"Wala akong magagawa kung 'gusto' (choice) ng magiging mga anak mo at anak ko na maging putatsing, pero 'sana' (i hope) wag silang maging putatsing...." kahit pro-choice tayo at maging legalized 'to siguro ayaw mo namang pangarapin maging prosti mga anak natin... ako, ayaw ko talaga... ikaw? Very Happy

pero kung gusto talaga ng mga kidz,,, edi i-manage natin....

You're describing not only just one specific situation but a stereotype among working girls. Like I said, some prostitutes actually enjoy their line of work.

You don't know anything about me. And I sincerely doubt you can judge me as an individual from a few posts. Who said our children would grow up to prostitutes? And anyways, that's more of a personal issue. Obviously, I wouldn't be ecstatic to have raise a daughter and ave her grow up to be a prostitute r a porn star but I consider myself a generally good person, for the most part, and I would instill as much sense as I could into her, teaching her good values and such. But after all of that, it is her life and I cannot decide for her. She would have to choose what is best for her. And even if I had a daughter and she grew up to be a a prostitute, I wouldn't feel guilty because I would, in my heart, that I raised her to the best of my abilities and to be a person who can make intelligent decisions.

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I didn't say being a prostitute is 'wrong', i don't know where you get that... maybe because i said "i still hope they will not choose to do it,,," that statement has a deeper meaning, i will not discuss it coz i know someday,,, you'll understand...

i'll give you a clue...
"Wala akong magagawa kung 'gusto' (choice) ng magiging mga anak mo at anak ko na maging putatsing, pero 'sana' (i hope) wag silang maging putatsing...." kahit pro-choice tayo at maging legalized 'to siguro ayaw mo namang pangarapin maging prosti mga anak natin... ako, ayaw ko talaga... ikaw? Very Happy

pero kung gusto talaga ng mga kidz,,, edi i-manage natin....

You don't know anything about me. And I sincerely doubt you can hardly judge me as an individual from a few posts. Who said our children would grow up to prostitutes? And anyways, that's more of a personal issue. Obviously, I wouldn't be ecstatic to have raised a daughter and have her grow up to be a prostitute or a porn star but I consider myself a generally good person, for the most part, and I would instill as much sense as I could into her, teaching her good values and such. But after all of that, it is her life and I cannot decide for her. She would have to choose what is best for her. And even if I had a daughter and she grew up to be a a prostitute, I wouldn't feel guilty because I would, in my heart, know that I raised her to the best of my abilities and to be a person who can make intelligent decisions.

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Astig na pelikula 'to... isa sa mga paborito kong film na social realism ang genre.... meron netong DVD release with special feature na short documentary about the controversy... Mabibili nyo ng original sa Astro vison at syempre, may pirated sa suki nating muslim sa quiapo

Cool. I'll check it out when I get the time.

puzzledpanther wrote:

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I didn't say being a prostitute is 'wrong', i don't know where you get that... maybe because i said "i still hope they will not choose to do it,,," that statement has a deeper meaning, i will not discuss it coz i know someday,,, you'll understand...

i'll give you a clue...
"Wala akong magagawa kung 'gusto' (choice) ng magiging mga anak mo at anak ko na maging putatsing, pero 'sana' (i hope) wag silang maging putatsing...." kahit pro-choice tayo at maging legalized 'to siguro ayaw mo namang pangarapin maging prosti mga anak natin... ako, ayaw ko talaga... ikaw? Very Happy

pero kung gusto talaga ng mga kidz,,, edi i-manage natin....

You don't know anything about me. And I sincerely doubt you can hardly judge me as an individual from a few posts. Who said our children would grow up to prostitutes? And anyways, that's more of a personal issue. Obviously, I wouldn't be ecstatic to have raised a daughter and have her grow up to be a prostitute or a porn star but I consider myself a generally good person, for the most part, and I would instill as much sense as I could into her, teaching her good values and such. But after all of that, it is her life and I cannot decide for her. She would have to choose what is best for her. And even if I had a daughter and she grew up to be a a prostitute, I wouldn't feel guilty because I would, in my heart, know that I raised her to the best of my abilities and to be a person who can make intelligent decisions.

sha sige...

mr. swansong wrote:

may mga babaeng nageenjoy sa trabaho nila, and that includes some prostitutes...
hindi lahat ng napapanood sa balita at mga pelikula about prostitutes ay tama.. kumaibigan kayo ng prosti at kausapin ng heart to heart... try nyo muna. yung iba maantig kayo, yung iba maeempower kayo.. pramis!

totoo to naginterview kami dati sa magsaysay road sa baguio kilala itong "putahan" sa baguio kung ang pampanga ay may tinatawag na "area" sa baguio may magsaysay road magugulat ka talaga na karamihan sa kanila ay HINDI PILIT sa ganoong klaseng propesyon ung iba "pakiramdam daw nila na hindi sila maganda", may isang case na nagsabi na pinilit lang daw siyang sabihin na sindikato ang nagpasok sa kanya at kasabwat dito ang may ari ni video-ok bar para lang mapasara ito ng mga pulis.

MEDIA is the right hand of ANARCHY wag lahat ng nakikita sa TV ay paniwalaan

sagot ko

YES

equal benefits para sa magsasaka, manggagawa, prostitute, etc. tanggalin ang BRAND sa kanila bilang marumi at kadiri respetuhin sana sila

[quote="puzzledpanther"]

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You're describing not only just one specific situation but a stereotype among working girls. Like I said, some prostitutes actually enjoy their line of work.

W8... W8... W8...
Streotype???

ni-review ko lahat ng sinulat ko and wala akong nabasang stereotyping ang dating ng message... di na muna ako mag iingles kc nakakaintindi ka pala ng tagalog, nung nag reply ka lang tungkol sa TORO ko nagets na tagalog ka rin,,, kala ko kc out of the country ka...
oo, hindi lahat naaabuso pag nag puta sila... ginagawa mo naman akong bata e...
pero ang point ko "MARAMING" naaabuso dahil d2. di ko alam kung pano mo maiintindihan ang mensahe ko pero, bahala ka na...

"Have you ever heard the term, "high class whore"?"

Actually lahat ng sinasabi mo narinig ko na hi-skul pa lang ako, no offense pero masyado ng mababaw para sa kin yung mga argumento mo... pero nirerespeto ko pa rin yun at shine-share ang idea ko para makarinig ka naman ng ibang angulo at baka sakaling mapagmunimunihan mo.
grade 2 palang ako, napapaligiran na ko ng mga prosti.... batang PASAY din kasi ako, lahat ng klaseng "whore" dun may naging kapitbahay kami... at "karamihan" ng mga prosti don di tulad ng mga sinasabi mong "hi-class", mga mahihirap ang karamihan don, walang makain, sila ang naaabuso ng madalas. kung meron nga ng tulad ng sinasbi mong "hi-class", iilan lang yun... and mas concern ako sa mas nakararami... kaya if your asking if i ever heard that term... di ko lang narinig yun
, "nakita" ko at "nakasalamuha" ko. ang tono kasi ng sentence mo parang di ko alam pinagsasasabi ko... pero ayos lang kung ganun dating sa'yo... cute ka naman e....

and sana wag mong i-imply lagi sa mga message mo na "women" lang ang prosti... may mga lalaki din po...
yan ang pag-i-"stereotype".
mabenta din yata ang katawan ko kahit lalake ako... per kilo

and wag ka masyadong umasa sa "strict legalized system" mo... Lalo na sa bansang ito...