To Pay or Not to Pay?

This thread is inspired by a member of this forum. He/She kept asking distros for free stuff.
That inspired me to bring this up.

Why some kids just won't pay for the show tickets?

Is it fair to let them in for free?
With one hand begging for the organizer's sympathy... and the other holding a cellphone?


What do you think boss???

ONE HOLDING A BOTTLE OF ALCOHOL.PISS DRUNK... THE OTHER BEGGING THE ORGANIZERS?

IL KICK HIS ASS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS...

IS IT PUNK FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO INSIDE THE GIGS WITHOUT SHELLING OUT?

I WOULD LET SOMEBODY IN PROBABLY IF HE OR SHE CAME ALL THE WAY FROM, LETS SAY..

BAGIUO, TARLAC, LUCENA ETC..AND HE /SHE REALLY DOSENT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE TICKET..

ITS JUST A WAY ON HOW YOU ANALYZE THE PERSON ASKING FOR A FAVOR IF HES LYING TO HIS

GADDAM TEETH...WE SHOULD KICK HIS ASS!

Interested to know about this, seeing internet flyers, alot have warnings about people trying to get in for free and to not do it?
Almost all shows here have security or if they are house or local shows there are normally a few big guys willing to do the door.
knowing of course the differences between Australia and the Philippines, is it a huge problem?

hahaha! oh yes sir! this is one of the MAJOR problems organizers are really anticipating on their gigs.

i still dont get it. ok, lets pretend they are really really poor kids.
shows are announced at least a month early... why cant they just set aside 2 pesos a day?

2 pesos = 1 stick of marlboro


come to think of it...

Understanding of course how poverty is a huge issue in the Philippines, looking at the prices of gigs they are like 40 pesos maybe 60, am i right?
If so for me that is like 1 dollar maybe $1.50, you could maybe get a can of coke for that. Local shows here are like $15 (600p) big shows like the last madball tour was $40 (1600p).
And still bands often dont get payed, so im thinking either we are extremely over charging or you guys are under charging haha.
Is there any possability to buy like a shed or an old warehouse to put on free gigs for the kids? Or is it just a matter or people being cheap?

Don't let the bastards in. Kapal magsabi ng "kapitalista pala kayo eh"... Dapat itanong sa inyong mga makukunat sa gate eh, "para san ba ga yaang pagiging punk mo?"

Kung papasok ka naman ng me sama ng loob...sleep it off. We don't want to hear you saying: "Kayo ba yung nagpagig sa ______ bar? Kapitalista kayo." Nerves nyo pre. We don't need bastards like you. We work our asses of sometimes to organize gigs, take some precious time off our families and loved ones just to see and check the gear is A OK in the venue, and stay a little while longer after the gig to clean up and sometimes pay for the damage you cheapskates did.

Ay nagagalit na ba ako? hehe.

Being punk is really cool if we throw in some morality and common sense in.

electric_dynamite wrote:

Don't let the bastards in. Kapal magsabi ng "kapitalista pala kayo eh"... Dapat itanong sa inyong mga makukunat sa gate eh, "para san ba ga yaang pagiging punk mo?"

Kung papasok ka naman ng me sama ng loob...sleep it off. We don't want to hear you saying: "Kayo ba yung nagpagig sa ______ bar? Kapitalista kayo." Nerves nyo pre. We don't need bastards like you. We work our asses of sometimes to organize gigs, take some precious time off our families and loved ones just to see and check the gear is A OK in the venue, and stay a little while longer after the gig to clean up and sometimes pay for the damage you cheapskates did.

Ay nagagalit na ba ako? hehe.

Being punk is really cool if we throw in some morality and common sense in.

+1000

electric_dynamite wrote:

Being punk is really cool if we throw some morality and common sense in.

correction lang sa gramming...

electric_dynamite wrote:

electric_dynamite wrote:

Being punk is really cool if we throw some morality and common sense in.

correction lang sa gramming...

easy ka lang kasi.. galit na galit ka eh. kagagaling nga lang ng baguio init ka agad?
syang naman yung binyahe natin kung di ka chill.

hirap naman kasi minsan biente pesos lang kulang mo ayaw ka na papasukin,ano ba mas malaki bilang 100 o 20?
i'll pay if the price is right!!!
sa mga nagsasabing sumusuporta sila kaya lang wala silang pambayad ket singko sentimos tapos amoy gin o matador,di kaya sabay hithit ng sigarilyo ang labo yata non dre.kung sinasabi nyong 3rd world pinas kaya salat sa pera,eh ultimo pag-pag binibili dito,getz nyo na ba?

kung ganyan ng ganyan eh di try nyo pasukin ang malacayang tapos sunugin nyo(daling sabihin no?)pero di masamang sumubok para sumikat
kesa yung tayo tayo yung nag aangasan ang baduy. ang pangil sa kalaban hindi sa kauri.

OFOH!!!

How can they say that the organizers are capitalists/corporate slaves? Are they not part of a corporate caravan? What about the packs of “Marlboro” cigarettes in their pockets? The “Nokia” cellphones that they are holding? The “Gatsby” styling gel for their mohawks? Those guys have enough cash to buy these things, but they can’t afford to pay 30 to 50 Philippine Peso ($.60 to $1.00)?

swansong wrote:

electric_dynamite wrote:

electric_dynamite wrote:

Being punk is really cool if we throw some morality and common sense in.

correction lang sa gramming...

easy ka lang kasi.. galit na galit ka eh. kagagaling nga lang ng baguio init ka agad?
syang naman yung binyahe natin kung di ka chill.

Nakakaasar kasi yung narinig ko sa kwento ni Arje sa Baguio. Sabihan ba naman na kapitalista!? Tokwa kayo.

to pay on the gate is normal thing. if you want to see the band playing youll have to pay the entrance fee. ganun ka simple. hindi biro magpagig. hindi naman kamahalan ang entrance. i really don't understand why other people can't pay. and it is equally irritating when somebody say's that im with this and this band na parang free pases yung kakilala ka ng banda na tumutugtog. dude ciguro nga mahirap bansa natin. mahirap kumita ng pera! pero kung d mo kaya d wag kana lng pumunta. simple ng logic di ba.

Yun oh!!!! nagalit bigote ni arj oh!

also check this out.

putting up a gig in manila would cost around 3500 or 4000 with additional expenceses and that is on a week night. on a weekend it may cost somewhere from 5000 to 6500 depending on the date.

a gig in the province for example batangas would likely be around 7000 to 8000 plus additional expenceses. since we would rent the venue and the equipment seperatelly.

so check this out. lets say its a weekend and you charge 70p on the gate.

a normal turn out will be around 60-70 persons. (you may think that there are more than a hundred in attendence but most of them are outside and will not pay to go inside or are the band members and the gig orginizers them selves).

so do the math 70*70 is only 4900.

every human life, including punks, is all about RESPONSIBILITY OVER WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN. do what YOU (or collectively) feel is right. this is where we become flexible, rules does not apply and what matters is what your heart tells you to do. just remember to recognise the faces and not let them step on your head.

minsan kasi pag napagbibigyan lalong umaabuso e. kaya everytime na may gig ganun na palagi ang style nila. at proud pa sila na sabihing "puta pare umaattend ako ng gigs ng di nag lalabas ng pera!"( habang lasing yun a!) nakakapikon naman talaga para sa mga naghirap mag organize ng show.

i saw this once on myspace. forgot who's myspace profile, but i'm sure it's one of you t4 guys. this kid said "don't be capitalists" like that. haha!
morons who don't know how gigs are organized should shut up. we should put up signs saying
"KUNG AYAW MO MAGBAYAD JAN KA SA LABAS! NAGBABAYAD DIN KAMI PARA SA GIG NA TO!"

^^ tama!!!??? puga magbabayad ng renta sa venue, gamit, pati na sa mga guest bands... all of them costs no less than a hundred bucks... pinaghirapan natin yan... kung wala ka namang pambayad pero gusto mo naman makinig... sa labas ka na lang... you have no choice... kawawa naman ung gma organizer malulugi sila... you better wait for the tickets to be sold out para makapasok...

Just tell them to organise thier own shows if they dont want to pay.
Theres nothing 'punk' about ripping off a scene that already struggles.
They should just get the money from their parents who probably bought their tight jeans, payed for their hair styles and gave them some money for the show and instead spent it on alcohol.

this is where budgeting comes in... hehehe

help organize the show and you'll get in for free.

pucha, napaka 90's ng issue na to, a.


walang pambayad, pak op. organize your own gig or form your own band..
or watch a piolo pascual mall tour in sm, yeah, those are free, ya know..
c'mon u fuckers, who doesn't have p50.oo in their pockets to pay?

if you're that damn poor, line up at the pcso charity office and beg.
that would be "punk rock" enough..

This has been an eternal issue that plagued the scene and kept it on its dirt-poor level as compared to most of the southeast asian HCPunk scenes.
The problem is, this mentality of not paying the gates has been passed out from the BNW era to the LA105 era which kindda stuck.

I believe there's no point to it coz these punks could buy liquor and smoke weed and spike their hair with glue but they wont shed to pay the gate, and the annoying part is they would brag out that theyre there to support YOUR show.

I suggest that organizers be firm about the gate and don't let these kids until the end of the show lest they pay. We did that during the MAIM shows. We supported the NO OPEN GATE policy and i think it went well. Those punks went home without without seeing shit.

...Or we could always go the other way: get a big sponsor like NIKE and do the show for free. But that wouild be DIY ain't it?!

DIY you get some money! steal from thieves. lol

electric_dynamite wrote:

Don't let the bastards in. Kapal magsabi ng "kapitalista pala kayo eh"... Dapat itanong sa inyong mga makukunat sa gate eh, "para san ba ga yaang pagiging punk mo?"

Kung papasok ka naman ng me sama ng loob...sleep it off. We don't want to hear you saying: "Kayo ba yung nagpagig sa ______ bar? Kapitalista kayo." Nerves nyo pre. We don't need bastards like you. We work our asses of sometimes to organize gigs, take some precious time off our families and loved ones just to see and check the gear is A OK in the venue, and stay a little while longer after the gig to clean up and sometimes pay for the damage you cheapskates did.

Ay nagagalit na ba ako? hehe.

Being punk is really cool if we throw in some morality and common sense in.

parang alam ko yan ah. *cough* T4 myspace comment by enzo *cough*

motmot wrote:

ONE HOLDING A BOTTLE OF ALCOHOL.PISS DRUNK... THE OTHER BEGGING THE ORGANIZERS?

IL KICK HIS ASS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS...

IS IT PUNK FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO INSIDE THE GIGS WITHOUT SHELLING OUT?

I WOULD LET SOMEBODY IN PROBABLY IF HE OR SHE CAME ALL THE WAY FROM, LETS SAY..

BAGIUO, TARLAC, LUCENA ETC..AND HE /SHE REALLY DOSENT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE TICKET..

ITS JUST A WAY ON HOW YOU ANALYZE THE PERSON ASKING FOR A FAVOR IF HES LYING TO HIS

GADDAM TEETH...WE SHOULD KICK HIS ASS!

kahit naguluhan ako, I'd have to agree with motmot about dun sa pagpapapasok sa mga tao from remote places, although that would be unlikely.

Kung wala kang pera pambayad ng ticket, di wag ka pumunta. Ganun lang ka simple yun eh. Announced ang show before hand, di magipon ka. Ang problema talaga yung pagkakaiba iba ng mentality ng mga tao, lalo na yung mga taong exaggerated mag-isip. Sure, punk scene, hardcore scene, DIY. Mura na nga eh, di mo pa mapagipunan. Buti nga kahit galing ibang bansa yung mga dumadayo satin, ang ticket price 120php lang. Eh ang ibang mga foreign bands kung makasingil pambuhay na ng pamilya.

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about dun sa own warehouse/venue...good idea. pero parang mahirap ata yun. imo.

allroy9 wrote:

This has been an eternal issue that plagued the scene and kept it on its dirt-poor level as compared to most of the southeast asian HCPunk scenes.
The problem is, this mentality of not paying the gates has been passed out from the BNW era to the LA105 era which kindda stuck.

I believe there's no point to it coz these punks could buy liquor and smoke weed and spike their hair with glue but they wont shed to pay the gate, and the annoying part is they would brag out that theyre there to support YOUR show.

I suggest that organizers be firm about the gate and don't let these kids until the end of the show lest they pay. We did that during the MAIM shows. We supported the NO OPEN GATE policy and i think it went well. Those punks went home without without seeing shit.

...Or we could always go the other way: get a big sponsor like NIKE and do the show for free. But that wouild be DIY ain't it?!

you definitely hit it albert..non-compliant and take-4 shows have a similar stance..why the fuck would we let you in if you're not even willing to help out promote or start or even celan up the show? who the fuck do you think you are? don't even bother coming to the venue and try that shit with us..don't even hang outside the venue..as i've said before the hardcore punk community has survived for almost 3 decades now without you, why would it be different if you're here?

plus, once we let you in, we're liable for your safety whether you paid the entrance or not..why the fuck would we let ourselves be held liable for you f'n parasites??? go home and cry in front of your iMac and download the latest 'cool' vid on youtube...

positivementalattitude wrote:

go home and cry in front of your iMac and download the latest 'cool' vid on youtube...

ser, kng wala clang pambayad ng 'entrance fee', how would u kno ser na meron clang iMac? pc nalang tos nasa intarnet cafey pede pa. d po ba ser?

BENNY.BLANCO wrote:

positivementalattitude wrote:

go home and cry in front of your iMac and download the latest 'cool' vid on youtube...

ser, kng wala clang pambayad ng 'entrance fee', how would u kno ser na meron clang iMac? pc nalang tos nasa intarnet cafey pede pa. d po ba ser?

Not the "punks" you expect...e.g. mohawks, studs... merun din who would like to get in,(obviously can-afford looking, heller!!??? 100pesos?!!) na merung, "I'm too hardcore for Entrance Fees...and besides, I know the band, tropa ko yan" attitude.

BENNY.BLANCO wrote:

positivementalattitude wrote:

go home and cry in front of your iMac and download the latest 'cool' vid on youtube...

ser, kng wala clang pambayad ng 'entrance fee', how would u kno ser na meron clang iMac? pc nalang tos nasa intarnet cafey pede pa. d po ba ser?

ah...meron kase tayong tinatawag sa ingles na 'sarcasm' and 'exageration' no? di mo dn naman sigurado kung nasa 'intarnet cafey' sila di ba? yun lang yun..and just the same, i don't care kung san sila nagiintarnet (according to you), may difference yung walang pambayad at AYAW magbayad, capisce?

Ano nmng masama sa pagbayad ng entrance fee kung malulupit na banda nmn ang nandun? Saka supporta na rin un sa eksana.. marami talagang taong kuripot sa mundo.. Kung di ka makabayad.. Odi sa labas ka..

[quote="positivementalattitude"][quote="BENNY.BLANCO"]

positivementalattitude wrote:

capisce?

capisced! ser corleone. sensya na ser d q agad nakuha ung 'exagGeration' niu eh. miju mabagal aq pagdating jan. sensya na ho tlga.

no parder kwistyon ur 'onor.

if you srsly love yer scene, go and support them in anyway you can and stop being fucking free loader tss!

hindi na nakak2long superpunks, hindi na uso cheap-in sa isang grupo kiddiepunk style haha! anyways go head discuss people

Thats why im in a band... i get to go in for free
seriously if you really support the bands, the organizers, the Scene in general you should sacrifice even a bit.
katulad ng sinabi ng ASSmerikanong paeasyeasy, Mas mabuti pang gumastos sa eksena kaysa kumita(ng tiba tiba) sa eksena.

swansong wrote:

This thread is inspired by a member of this forum. He/She kept asking distros for free stuff.
That inspired me to bring this up.

Why some kids just won't pay for the show tickets?

Is it fair to let them in for free?
With one hand begging for the organizer's sympathy... and the other holding a cellphone?


What do you think boss???

lowla, kpg ako nakikiusap, tinatago ko nmn yung selpon ko ah... so tama nb ang aking ginagawa? hahahaha!

madalas nga mngyare to, alam ntin na nakagawian ng halos karamihan to eh, lalo na sa dagsang pgdating ng mga nasa eksena ngaun!
pero bakit hindi nila itry mangupet sa pitaka or sa tindahan nila, o mang limos muna para makapasok? or wag muna mag load khit isang araw lang db? hehehe!

at dun sa mga ngsasabing KAPITALISTA ang mga ngoorganize dahil hindi cla mapagbgyang makapsok sa gig, ahhhmmm! meron ba d2 naka register n ngsabi non, para sana nababasa nya tong forum na to... alamin mo nga yung cnasabi mong KAPITALISTA tska mo sabihin sa dapat mong sabihan, at dun sa ngsabi nmn n sobrang mahal. isa lng den solusyon jan. wag k nlng tlga pumunta, para wala k ng masabi pa... ako ganun ako, kpg hindi ko kakayanin mkpgbayad sa tama, makikibalita nlng tlga ako! hindi dahilan ang may kakilala ka sa loob or banda or kahit kakilala mo pa yung organizer... nakakahiyang mgsalita kc ngdaan den ako sa pagiging ganito! hahahaha! pero as in tlgang walang wala nmn talaga nung mga panahon na yun! hahahaha!

dumaan na rin ako dito... kung di kasya pera mo... eto gawin mo... lambingin mo tropa mo at sabihin saknya "uyy... <insert your tropa's name> pa-sponsor naman... hihihi :]"

mahabang usapin to,basta sana yung sinasabi nating diy ethics wag mawala ket sa bar tayo mag-organize.tanda nyo pa ba yung corpuz crusties?

sana minsan ket konti matuto tayong magbigay hindi lang pera ang lahat sa mundo,lalo na sa "DIY HCPUNK SCENE". na kaya merong ganitong eksena
para mag counter-culture (intelektual ba dating?)hindi para magyabang ,magpagalingan at laiitin ang mga walang pera.set aside natin yung mga inter- personal issues kung meron man.

OFOH!!!

anarkispanky wrote:

mahabang usapin to,basta sana yung sinasabi nating diy ethics wag mawala ket sa bar tayo mag-organize.tanda nyo pa ba yung corpuz crusties?

sana minsan ket konti matuto tayong magbigay hindi lang pera ang lahat sa mundo,lalo na sa "DIY HCPUNK SCENE". na kaya merong ganitong eksena
para mag counter-culture (intelektual ba dating?)hindi para magyabang ,magpagalingan at laiitin ang mga walang pera.set aside natin yung mga inter- personal issues kung meron man.

OFOH!!!

iset-aside ba kanyo? tama ba yung nabasa ko! hehehehe...
dap, let's drink to that!

BongBong wrote:

dumaan na rin ako dito... kung di kasya pera mo... eto gawin mo... lambingin mo tropa mo at sabihin saknya "uyy... <insert your tropa's name> pa-sponsor naman... hihihi :]"

pamilyar tong mga ganitong lines sa akin ah, hehehehe!, madalas akong makarinig nito eh! ang churva churva to da max tlga!!!

tumpak ka jan katotong marcore let's drink to that or let's blunt to that? pucha antok na talaga ko sa piging nun tol sobrang pagod na kasi talaga ko nun,sensya kung di ako masyado makareply sayo di kasi ganun kadami pang load ko minsan tambay tayo ng sampaloc umayos ka lang baka sapakin kita tumalsik laway mo


OFOH!!!

@marcore -

simpre kung mapera ka naman manlibre ka naman hahaha lol

hahaha

anarkispanky wrote:

tumpak ka jan katotong marcore let's drink to that or let's blunt to that? pucha antok na talaga ko sa piging nun tol sobrang pagod na kasi talaga ko nun,sensya kung di ako masyado makareply sayo di kasi ganun kadami pang load ko minsan tambay tayo ng sampaloc umayos ka lang baka sapakin kita tumalsik laway mo


OFOH!!!

hahahaha! okei lng yun katotong artse! ganun tlga buhay dumarating tayo sa point na pumipikit na ang mata natin sa kadahilanang wala tayong sapat na tulog at pahinga, subalit sa mga pagkakataong iyon, pinilit ko pa den idilat ang aking nangangalumatang mata! hahahaha! atleast dap dumating ka, at ANDUN KA NUNG GABING KAILANGAN KITA!!! hahahaha! tska olrayt lng den na hindi ka madalas makareply ang importante natatanggap mo p den txt ko, kesa yung iba dumadahilan pa na hindi nakakatanggap ng txt ko. hahahaha! uo ba, tambay lng tayo dun! wag ka lng kc nglililikot bka maalibadbaran kc sayo eh! kaw tlga! kilala mo nmn ako... HINDI AKO MAKABASAG PINGGAN! DB??? wala lng personalan!

OFOH

BongBong wrote:

@marcore -

simpre kung mapera ka naman manlibre ka naman hahaha lol

hahaha

hahahaha! uo nga nmn, libre mo nmn ako isang LONGNECK jan, sosolohin ko lng!

^^ mucho na lang para makainom na rin ako lol

BongBong wrote:

^^ mucho na lang para makainom na rin ako lol

kung yan ang gusto, tara let's go... saGO!~

^^ tara nang magbarek!!!

the organizers done their part,
now do yours..

motmot wrote:

ONE HOLDING A BOTTLE OF ALCOHOL.PISS DRUNK... THE OTHER BEGGING THE ORGANIZERS?

IL KICK HIS ASS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS...

IS IT PUNK FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO INSIDE THE GIGS WITHOUT SHELLING OUT?

I WOULD LET SOMEBODY IN PROBABLY IF HE OR SHE CAME ALL THE WAY FROM, LETS SAY..

BAGIUO, TARLAC, LUCENA ETC..AND HE /SHE REALLY DOSENT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE TICKET..

ITS JUST A WAY ON HOW YOU ANALYZE THE PERSON ASKING FOR A FAVOR IF HES LYING TO HIS

GADDAM TEETH...WE SHOULD KICK HIS ASS!

Tama c Mot, pag bigyan din natin yung mga nangagaling pa sa South or North na naghihitch pa makaattend lang ng gig at makita gusto nilang banda, dahil ako nagtatravel/naghihitch din makarating lang sa gig kahit nasa malayong lugar kahit ala akong pera

CorixNbzine wrote:

motmot wrote:

ONE HOLDING A BOTTLE OF ALCOHOL.PISS DRUNK... THE OTHER BEGGING THE ORGANIZERS?

IL KICK HIS ASS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS...

IS IT PUNK FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO INSIDE THE GIGS WITHOUT SHELLING OUT?

I WOULD LET SOMEBODY IN PROBABLY IF HE OR SHE CAME ALL THE WAY FROM, LETS SAY..

BAGIUO, TARLAC, LUCENA ETC..AND HE /SHE REALLY DOSENT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE TICKET..

ITS JUST A WAY ON HOW YOU ANALYZE THE PERSON ASKING FOR A FAVOR IF HES LYING TO HIS

GADDAM TEETH...WE SHOULD KICK HIS ASS!

Tama c Mot, pag bigyan din natin yung mga nangagaling pa sa South or North na naghihitch pa makaattend lang ng gig at makita gusto nilang banda, dahil ako nagtatravel/naghihitch din makarating lang sa gig kahit nasa malayong lugar kahit ala akong pera

mot may punto ka jan vongga!!!


OFOH!!!